to the Comment #60555 by Michael Hardesty,

you my friend call “Truth Be Told,” a racist ?? and me stupid and Bush a liar !! saying ” many of us never bought Bush’s lies about WMDs, 9-11 connection, Al Queda support or an Iraqi threat to anyone.

A few facts Mike, Saddam used poison gas on the Kurds, and the Iranian’s so how can you say he didn’t have WMD??? he tried to kill a ex-president and invaded two countries so how can you say he wasn’t a threat???  just because he didn’t have the weapons the day we invaded or we haven’t found them yet, does not mean he was Gandhi !!

you say “You can take the racist rant of its all crazy Arabs hating us for no reason but it doesn’t jibe with the historical facts”  were did i say that ??? 9/11 was fact, buddy and i don’t think i slandered all Arabs? i do speak against Islamic Extremists and just because you deny their existence, because your so much smarter than the rest of us, does not make me a racist, it just makes you wrong !!! 

so you believe Saddam and Bin Ladden and not Bush ?? good intelligent thoughtful choice!

and when did i blame Saddam for 9/11 ??? i did not, i said so openly in my post but you with you couldn’t comprehend the clear words of mine i repeat “Bush never said Saddam was to blame for 9/11. He said Saddam was a supporter of terror, which he was! So in 2002 both the House and the Senate in an overwhelming bi-partisan vote of support gave the President authorization to use force to remove Saddam.”

Dear friend, some friendly advise if you want to get into a political discussion, fine, even be rude if you like, I’m a big boy, but if you want to call others who you differ with stupid, when you clearly don’t have your ducks in a row, then my friend you are the one looking like you lack common sence !!  for instance if you include all the death camps and war dead and starvation and whatnot that ensued during the war !! Hitler and the Third Reich was to blame for the deaths of almost 60 million total in the late 1930’s and 40’s during WW II,  i don’t think the Ayn Rand Institute, a think tank, that you disagree with, comes close !!! but me thinks, your unaware of what a Nazi is, or what Hitler did ?? pick up a history book, before you say Nazi again ?? and you wont look so ridicules!!

Illgramatiocus knee o’kaun

PS in the 1930 many in Europe and more around the world warned of Hitler’s deeds and words, and what he was up to !! but many were tired of War (WW I) and did not want to get involved, so they appeased him, and ignored him, just as the left is doing to the Islamic extremist’s today !! many called those like Churchill, stupid, or racist, and war monger’s, for telling the truth about Hitler !! so we got WW II shortly after Chamberlain held up his treaty saying “peace in our time” when he sold out the Czechs!! (just as you guys want to do with Iraq) if you bleeding-heart, intelligent libs don’t pay attention to your history, then we are doomed to repeat it !! isn’t two wars in less than 15 yrs enough in Iraq, or do you wish to go back in 10 more yrs cause we didn’t finish the job today !! do you wish to see Iran and Syria build WMD arsenal’s? so that they are even more difficult to defeat in a war that is sure to come ???  think long term pal, 10,  20, 30, 50 yrs from now, and were you want the nation and planet to be !! sticking your head in the dirt, blaming the messenger, for the message, and calling him stupid or a liar (Bush) is only repeating the failed actions of the pacifists in the 1930’s !!

I wonder how many Americans will continue to post on this blog when their government finally suspends the First Amendment for national security reasons. Don’t think it can happen here? Newt Gingrich has suggested it more than once.

It’s easy to blame the “Good German” for not speaking out in the 1930s. If you give the people a choice between eating sausages or free speech they’ll choose sausages every time.

History will prove that the American invaders were indeed worse than the native Saddam, who once made the silly mistake of seeking revenge for Kuwaiti slant-drillers stealing Iraqi oil. 120,000 troops got nuked with DU for that. I think the pilots called it a “turkey shoot”. Add another 500,000 kids killed by sanctions (“worth it” says Albright), and now another 620,000 killed, 3,000,000 wounded, 20,000 tortured, 400,000 orphaned, 2,000,000 of the best Iraqis now refugees since 2003, and Saddam starts to look like a very benevolent dictator.

Let’s not forget one more bitter pill either: as the real horror of eternal contamination of Iraqi cities and towns by American-made DU dust (the REAL WMD!) starts to take it’s heavy toll in hideous cancers and birth defects, this illegal and criminal American adventure in Iraq, which was always about MONEY & OIL, will be seen for what it is, a well-planned slow-motion genocide.

to the ridicules Comment #60555 by Michael Hardesty,  you my friend call “Truth Be Told,” and me and those you disagree with stupid !! while saying ” many of us never bought Bush’s lies about WMDs, 9-11 connection, Al Queda support or an Iraqi threat to anyone.

A few facts Sir, Saddam used poison gas on the Kurds, and the Iranian’s so how can you say he didn’t have WMD??? he tried to kill a ex-president and invaded two countries so how can you say he wasn’t a threat???  just because he didn’t have the weapons the day we invaded or we haven’t found them yet, does not mean he was Gandhi !!

you say “You can take the racist rant of its all crazy Arabs hating us for no reason but it doesn’t jibe with the historical facts”  were did i say that ??? 9/11 was fact, buddy and i don’t think i slandered all Arabs? i do speak against Islamic Extremists and just because you deny their existence, because your so much smarter than the rest of us, does not make me a racist, it just makes you wrong !!! 

so you believe Saddam and Bin Ladden and not Bush ?? good intelligent thoughtful choice!

and when did i blame Saddam for 9/11 ??? i did not, i said so openly in my post but you with you superior intelligence couldn’t comprehend the clear words of mine i repeat “Bush never said Saddam was to blame for 9/11. He said Saddam was a supporter of terror, which he was! So in 2002 both the House and the Senate in an overwhelming bi-partisan vote of support gave the President authorization to use force to remove Saddam.”

Dear friend, some friendly advise if you want to get into a political discussion, fine, even be rude if you like, I’m a big boy, but if you want to call others who you differ with stupid, when you clearly don’t have your ducks in a row, then my friend you are the one looking like you lack common seance !!  for instance if you include all the death camps and war dead and starvation and whatnot that ensued during the war !! Hitler and the Third Reich was to blame for the deaths of almost 60 million total in the late 1930’s and 40’s during WW II,  i don’t think the Ayn Rand Institute, a think tank, that you disagree with comes close !!! but me thinks, your unaware of what a Nazi is, or what Hitler did ?? pick up a history book, before you say Nazi again ?? and you wont look so ridicules!!

Illgramatiocus knee o’kaun

PS in the 1930 many in Europe and more around the world warned of Hitler’s deeds and words, and what he was up to !! but many were tired of War (WW I) and did not want to get involved, so they appeased him, and ignored him, just as the left is doing to the Islamic extremist’s today !! many called those like Churchill, stupid, or racist, and war monger’s, for telling the truth about Hitler !! so we got WW II shortly after Chamberlain held up his treaty saying “peace in our time” when he sold out the Czechs!! (just as you guys want to do with Iraq) if you bleeding-heart, intelligent libs don’t pay attention to your history, then we are doomed to repeat it !! isn’t two wars in less than 15 yrs enough in Iraq, or do you wish to go back in 10 more yrs cause we didn’t finish the job today !! do you wish to see Iran and Syria build WMD arsenal’s? so that they are even more difficult to defeat in a war that is sure to come ???  think long term pal, that’s were you need to put your higher intelligence, 10,  20, 30, 50 yrs from now, and were you want the nation and planet to be !! sticking your head in the dirt, blaming the messenger, for the message, and calling him stupid or a liar (Bush) is only repeating the failed actions of the pacifists in the 1930’s !!

Why the Iraqi’s are attacking us in Iraq is not rocket science (well, maybe it is for the mentally impaired neo cons). Lets get real! If the Iraqi’s or any other country suddenly invaded downtown podunk U S of A the locals would be out shooting the s*** out of them with their deer rifles or whatever they had on hand.
So, where is the mystery here???

Bush is worse than Saddam. And he is responsible for just as many deaths of innocent Iraqi citizens

Truth Be Told, talk about false advetising ! Every one of your statements is a big lie which you recycle from the Ayn Rand Institute Nazis. We have been around a few hyundred years and the Muslim much longer than that, only recently has
there arisen a virulent anti-US GOVERNMENT sentiment and that has entirely to do with our blank check support of Israel. You can take the racist rant of its all crazy Arabs hating us for no reason but it doesn’t jibe with the historical facts.
Jeff Badura, many of us never bought Bush’s lies about WMDs, 9-11 connection, Al Queda support or
an Iraqi threat to anyone. That you did is an indication of the low level of your intelligence.

I suppose it is beyond hope for the “TruthBeTold” twit to ever realize that not a single one of the 9-11 terrorists was an Iraqi.

I suppose it is beyond hope for him to ever admit that no WMD’s were found in Iraq, nor was any capability for them to be manufactured ever found.  Much was CLAIMED to be found, but not one bit ever stood up to independant examination.

And it surely is totally beyond hope for him to ever even consider the FACT, present in all the published reports, that the only contacts Al-Queda had inside Iraq were 1) in the Kurdish areas in the North, past the “nofly” zones where they were totally outside Saddam’s control, and 2) a spy planted in their ranks by Saddam’s forces to warn against attacks by them on the Iraqi government. 

I fail to see how a PATRIOT can support unprovoked attacks on a country that was not attacking, planning an attack or attempting to attack the United States.

The Real Reason for the Invasion of Iraq

Before we went into Iraq, the press and the US government on both sides of the isle, and the American people, 80% of them were all behind the action Bush took in Iraq. But four years later there’s a majority of “just blame Bush” revisionist wishful thinkers, who now are opposed to the war because the going got tough. The current falsehoods that the press takes as gospel by the nut-roots and the Democrats are happy to repeat, that Bush lied and people died, or rushed us into war. Whether we’re talking of the WMD’s or Saddam’s supposed blame for 9/11, it’s just left-wing talking points. For those who believe this line, let me break down the history to remind you of the truth in this matter!  After Saddam invaded Kuwait the UN authorized the action that led to the first Gulf War. After being roundly defeated, Saddam agreed to the terms given to him by the UN so he could remain in power. He then proceeded to break over and over again the treaty he signed to end the first Gulf War. Shortly afterwords he attempted to kill Ex-President Bush while he was visiting in Kuwait. He constantly foiled the attempts of the UN weapons inspectors, who were trying to implement the agreed terms of the treaty. Over all he violated 16 UN resolutions. These then are President Clinton’s words, while signing the “Iraq Liberation Act” on October 31, 1998 “It should be the policy of the US to seek to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace the regime “. This “law” was ratified by both houses of congress, in, I will say again because it begs repeating, 1998! Clinton continued to give numerous speeches about the dangers of Saddam’s WMD’s, and many other Democrat politicians went on the record with the same type of speech. Saddam was paying the families of suicide bombers in Israel and he was shooting at US and British planes every day that were implementing the UN no fly zones.
he used poison gas on both Iran and the Kurds and kept his people enslaved. So Bush became president in 2000, and this was the mess he was left with. Then we had 9/11. Everybody in our country and the world thought Saddam still had his WMD’s. Bush never said Saddam was to blame for 9/11. He said Saddam was a supporter of terror, which he was! So in 2002 both the House and the Senate in an overwhelming bi-partisan vote of support gave the President authorization to use force to remove Saddam. Now four years later when bullets are flying and men are dying, and we are not only fighting a shooting war, but a global propaganda war too. It is reprehensible, for the nut-roots and the Dem’s in the name of political gain, to say that Bush lied, and rushed us into war. Or even worse that he planned 9/11. I ask this basic question to all you out there, what would you have us do? Back out of Iraq with our tails between our legs? Leave the country to al-Qaeda in the west? And leave to Iran, the south and east?  We paid for the war, and we voted for the war, then it’s our war! Revising the facts of the past to suit your political idea’s or ambitions and complaining about mistakes that were honestly made with no constructive input on how to fix the problems we face is no way to act in a time of war.
       
-illgramaticus knee o’kaun

as far as Saddam’s last laugh !! was it while he was hanging ?? ha ha ha ha ha

to the Comment #60239 by Fadel Abdallah. Sir. were are sitting right now !! don’t be a coward speak up. please !! your views on American democracy and your love for Saddam speaks volumes of your character and intelligence !! but please tell me a little more about yourself ??? tell us all about your views on religion and politic !! enlighten me Fadel!!

to the Comment #60131 by Truth Be Told, good for you friend, you speak the truth, but most in theses parts do not wish to here it !!

to the Comment #59871 by teresa f johnson more Nazi analogies from the left !!
are you guys that historically challenged ??  me thinks you are !! pick up a history book once in a while would you !!

to the Comment #59671 by 911truthdotorg, (sigh)....... just more stupidity from the nut-roots !!

illgramaticus knee o’kaun

Thanks for your interesting article on Saddam, who was a strong supressive force that kept the lid on the factional disputes that our government has allowed to bubble over and totally destroy a once soverign nation, Shrub and his cowardly cohorts are not anywhere near the man that Saddam was, which is not meant to justify the man’s cruelty to his people, but he accepted his fate and paid the price. I don’t see bush or cheney accepting a similiar decision by a War Crimes tribunal that they they be punished for a far more desructive loss of life in the false promise of “DEMOCRACY"for Iraq.

To nancynewberry,

I’m with you.  I was born in 1945.  We’ve seen too much to take it lying down.

Thank you!

#59701 NancyNewberry

I agree with you entirely !  You said it all . . . oh-so-eloquently.  This Administration has NO CREDIBILITY.  When Bu$hlie was a child he probably knocked down all the other childrens’ sand castles.  He is mean-spirited and destructive.  There appears to be no limit to his folly.  How can the American people stand by and watch any more of this ? 

The politicians must realize that only 50% of the U.S. population even bothers to VOTE.  This little fact makes it so much easier to behave as a DICTATORSHIP once “they” get into POWER.  Keep the American masses pre-occupied with “making a living” and acquiring material goods and then they are too tired or too wired to resist TYRANNY.

I wouldn’t call Saddam a dictator; he has certainly ruled Iraq with an iron fest, exactly the type of ruler the unruly Iraqis deserved to keep the country together, with a high level of internal security and order. But it was necessary for the American propaganda in particular and the Western propaganda in general to portray him as a terrible dictator, as a prelude for what was being planned for Iraq. It is true that the Ba’th party was the dominant party, but there were several other parties with freedom to operate, including a Communist party. Remember that no Communist party dares to exist openly in America. That makes the U.S. theoretically less democratic than Iraq under Saddam. But after Bush came to power due to a stolen presidency at worst or due to all the democracy money can buy at best, and after all the lies, deception and corruption with which he ruled and continues to rule, one is justified to say that American democracy is overrated! In fact, America under Bush for two terms and two terrible wars, should be a case study of how democracy American style is indeed overrated!
 
Considering how much I hate Bush and gang, I do really miss the manly demeanor of Saddam Hussein! Bush is not a man in my dictionary; he is a coward who has been hiding behind his superior weapons of mass destruction and the one who most abused the loopholes of a democratic system to further his and his gang’s agenda of power, control and money.

Seems that throughout history, wars are started and the people who start them allways think that a war will be short, it happened during the Civil War and the First World War.

Now this Rumsfeld did the war on the cheap and why did he do it that way?

Use a Volunteer Arms, never mind that the National Guard is stretched thin, that if a state like Calif need the N.G. there would be less because they are off fighting Bushie/Chaney’s war, a war that is paid for in blood, but not the blood of the rich or well connected all chicken hawks use the young and poor, shame that the compaign No Child Left Behind was just a ploy to get kids phone numbers and hound them to join the Army for what so that Haliburton can get richer and that Chaney’s future generation can run for office again.

If Bush should be impeached than so should Chaney because he loves power.

Margaret from Vancouver, Washington

The NeoCons and the NeoLibs have to be called out by name, address and telephone number, warrants issued, and served, and brought before the Court of the American People for their war crimes, crimes against humanity, and all other frauds and high crimes perpetrated against the American People, and Peoples in foreign nations.

Do you consider yourself an American? Why?

ARE you A PATRIOT?

We Americans, our lifestyles, our support of Israel, our protection of Afghanistan, our actions in Iraq DID NOT cause Islamofascists to hate us.

They hate us because we are NOT Muslim!

They hate us because they DO NOT RULE US!

They hate us because we live with FREEDOM and EQUALITY FOR ALL!

To them we are INFIDELS, renegades from their true religeon of Islam.

They offered us WAR!

Declaring it explosively and deadly in Pennsylvania, Washington, and New York!!!

UNITED WE SHALL STAND!

>>>>>The man who once famously took a sledgehammer to Saddam Hussein’s statue now says “the Americans are worse than the dictatorship.”<<<<<

Foreign invaders were more often not worse, definitely more bloody than home grown dictators. Perhaps it’s time for this man to take the same sledgehammer to a carved object which says bush democracy in iraq.

It’s amazing, because the whole situation is so sad…and so disgusting.  These poor people are saying that the dictator who ruled over them for decades are better than the American-imposed “democracy” or whatever the heck they’re calling it these days.

Just goes to show you that we should be following the advice of the founding fathers…

advice to stay out of “foreign entanglements” 

I wrote about this concept of Saddam the dictator vs. Bush the dictator just after his execution. 

The concepts still hold true here - we’ve sunk to a horrible place when we can trust, or look to the dictator as being better than the “elected” president of America.

The article is at the following link:
Saddam was right and Bush was wrong

I think a fair analogy would be, how would most Americans feel if there was an occupying force in your city/state/country, telling you when/what/where you could do things and then disriminately, or indiscrimnately kill members of your family, drive you off the road, bust into your home….etc…etc…etc…

Better believe I’d pick up arms and take some potshots, if not be a full on guerrilla participant, against my occupiers.

What 20/20 hindsight you guys have !!!
We furriners knew this was another ‘domino theory’ Vietnam ; so you bombed them into the stone age .....  and you have done the same here.
You Americans have a price that you all, every one of you, is willing to pay - that is , 2000 dead American soldiers per annum ... (stuff the wounded, they did’nt die) ... you have not reached that figure yet, have you ?
So keep on fighting ... try again for your “peace with Honor” or whatever ....

And on to your next war ...

And do try to include this ...

Bush has no other place to dispose US expired bombs, so they sent them to military weak countries like Iraq, Lebanon, Somalia, Afghanistan.Can Bush assure US citizen that US will not be bombed after what he has done to other countries. Nobody knows what Osama bin Laden is doing at the moment. If Osama launches a missile, let us pray that it falls directly on Bush pigheaded head.

Bush has no other place to dispose US expired bombs, so they sent them to military weak countries like Iraq, Lebanon, Somalia, Afghanistan.Can Bush assure US citizen that US will not be bombed after what he has done to other countries. Nobody knows what Osama bin Laden is doing at the moment. If osama has a missile, let us pray that it falls directly on Bush pigheaded head.

What is the point of articles like this?  Of course life sucks in Iraq.  Of course it is because of American policies.  Of course these policies originated with the conservatives.  Who cares?  No matter who is in power, Iraqi lives will not be valued by Americans.  Clinton was responsible for at least as many Iraqi deaths as Bush.  The next schmuck will surely kill even more.  It’s the American way.

All we have to do is trace the history of government documents on energy policy to clearly and explicitly see that our troops are fundamentally there to protect the American lifestyle by ensuring energy supplies for our insatiable energy appetite. This goes back to Carter with the relatively explicit language found in policy documents from that era on. However, it goes back much further with less explicit language.

A strong condemnation to any of those with their heads on half-way straight is Bush et al’s refusal to make even token gestures toward energy independence until politically cornered, while committing to gargantuan financing for a “pre-emptive war” from the banking cartel (the private international banking consortium most of us innocently call by the gross misnomer “Federal” Reserve Board). Our government effectively works for this banking cartel, since the national debt is so large that our personal income tax (as opposed to corporate taxes) do not even cover the interest, and so it goes to absolutely no government services, but…Guess!

Well, let’s just say that it goes to all those lovely people who have personally financed and profited hugely from most of the wars of the 20th century up until right here and now near the beginning of the 21st. The publicly-never-fully-listed participants in this cartel are today’s Great Pirates (a term Buckminster Fuller used for those who have historically actually run things).

On this point, Sir Walter Raleigh didn’t work for Queen Elizabeth I. She worked for him. The casting down of his velvet jacket into a mud puddle so she could cross unsullied was a public relations ploy. She and other land-locked monarchs worked for him and others like him. These Great Pirates were the ones who called the shots. They were slick politicians, businessmen, navigators, martial artists, world travelers, linguists, etc., all rolled into one.

These Great Pirates kept a low profile to protect themselves and their grip on power, while the know-nothing monarchs had little choice but to play along. And the people were really fooled. They still are, aren’t they?

But we have better means of communicating today, at least so far. You might want to guess who is motivated to remove that ability by imposing restrictions on Internet freedom, not to mention take all our personal taxes as interest on the national debt, introduce a “New World Order”, scare us to death so we’ll allow Federal IDs, RFIDs (Radio Frequency IDs that can track our whereabouts), all supposedly to protect us from the enemies the wars they have financed keep creating for us.

And why are our borders so poorly controlled in this “anti-terrorist” war we’re supposed to be fighting? In this atmosphere, why did the heads of three countries, the U.S., Canada, and Mexico, meet in secret to sign an agreement to loosen borders, “harmonize” our legal systems, especially with regard to international trade, etc., and sacrifice huge chunks of our national sovereignty and rights as citizens of the U.S. by so doing? It’s all there on our own federal government Websites to read for yourselves, but couched in such benign language that most of the few U.S. citizens who bother to read or even dream it’s there will miss the threat to the truly essential aspects of our “American way of life” that our military is supposedly charged to support by, in reality, simply protecting our energy supplies.

Most U.S. citizens have no clue about what we’ve been doing elsewhere all these many years. The mainstream media journalists, although they are about 60% liberal, are owned by conservatives who control what they can get away with publishing. And radical conservatives in the media love to yell about liberal bias in the media…another metaphorical velvet jacket in the mud. If you trace some of these media ownerships back far enough, they end up beholden to the private international banking cartel we call the “Federal” Reserve.

If George W. Bush couldn’t even run America, what made anyone think that he would be able to do any better in Iraq? There should be war crime trials for Bush and his whole cabal of neo-con co-conspirators. If these criminals are not held accountable, they will soon repeat their crimes against humanity in Iran.

Hindsight is only good if you have two eyes right
in your behind. As it becomes more obvious every
day most americons are equipped with this and
many other handy devices, so they talk directly
to allmihgty(lobby) and make only wright decizions. On the other hand of the spectrum
insurance will make few more millions of Zillioners so they can sleep happily everafter
global NUKULAR zoolocoast.

The real concern to me is less the horror visited on the Iraq people, which is bad enough, but more the insanity of placing an entire army in what may prove to be an untenable situation. Iran, who we are doing our best to provoke, has the ability to arm its Shia militias with sufficient manpads and antitank missiles (the same ones that Israel encountered in Lebanon) to deny re-supply to our forces. The prospect of losing an entire army in a region, which has seen many previous examples of this over the millennia would surely provoke us to nuke Iran. By switching our allegiance from the Shia to the very Sunni insurgents that are causing the most havoc we are taking another step towards this. That we are doing this at the behest of the Saudis who produced the 9/11 Jihadis is yet another historical irony.

If it was really all about getting oil and money as a result from Iraq…where is it? As far as I can tell, my generation is going to be stuck with a fat bill, a boiling planet, and herds of teensy little smart cars. Come on now. Our war budget is HUGE. Our country is in debt, the rest of the world hates us, and we don’t have jack to show for it.

Now, it is becoming increasingly clear that the new market is poor people. According to the Borgen Project, the largest untapped market in the world right now is the impoverished. Whoopsy. Oil is out. Poor people are in. We could make money, and the real kicker is that it would be humane; instead of losing money, making enemies, and looking like idiots.

To those of you who wonder why we invaded a country we knew next to nothing about, the word is OIL. Iraq has the second largest oil reserves in the world. Do you think Halluburton would have moved if they did not think they were going to get their hands on Iraqi oil?  Bush does not run this country, he does what he is told, his speeches are written for him (and obviously not even rehersed anymore), he is sent out for photo-ops which he obviously loves, and behind the scenes Cheney runs the show. Cheney knew that Bush would make a good puppet so that is why he was groomed for the position. I can’t see where Pelosi would be any better unless she had someone with more guts than she has to make the decisions. The best thing that could happen to both Bush and Cheney is to be charged with war crimes. Do we have the guts to do that?  Are you aware that Bush bought almost 100,000 acres in Paraguay with gas and spring water on the property. Isn’t that where the Nazi’s ran when they thought they would be charged with war crimes?

.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) been in the same twilight zone.i too knew bush was lying in the mushroom cld speech. ive been as loved as the dixie chicks in my conservative-military home city-state. the big diffference between now and nazi germany then is that citizens now can speak against their gov w out fear of death or worse. it doesnt require much courage yet most say nothing. i cant imagine how much courage it took to speak up in nazi germany. im not at all sure i would have but not to do so now is unforgivable. i think youd like aljazeera blog/news and aztlan news. teresa fugwb usa or tfj2

does anyone ever blog on aljazeera? shell oil advertises on aj and now halliburton hq is moving to dubai. think theres a connection there? teresa fugwb usa or tfj2

There was ONE person who knew how to run & control Iraq..and they hung him…there was NEVER this violence & turmoil there before. And, contrary to some..the Iraqi ppl did love Saddam. They had a heck of a power grid (electricity) that the US had a terrible time blowing apart, they had clean water & weree the most secular nation in the middle east.They had free education- including college, free to have their religions, free medical care and FREE to at least go to the markets and work & school and mosqes and “almost free gas & fuels” Now what do they got…no security and afraid to live or go anywhere.

“Patience”
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8NVDDBG0&show_article=1

Yup, if we have the patience to put up with this character’s BS until he leaves office we will still find ourselves stuck in Iraq with no clear goal in site.  What the goal actually is, for those of us who have not yet figured it out, is to stay in Iraq.  What the USG wants is a permanent base of operations for US forces in the Middle East so as to be able to perpetrate further schemes against those governments whom the US hierarchy deems to be unacceptable.  It also wouldn’t hurt to get bargain basement oil concessions with proprietary access for US companies while they’re at it.

To get this base of operations they need a compliant local government that will allow them to maintain a large, permanent, military presence in the area.  None of the other local countries that are our supposed allies could do this.  The governments of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan and Turkey would be overthrown in short order if we tried to set up shop there en masse.  No government available?  No sweat, make your own out of a supposed weak and easy to conquer nation…

Americans have to be some of the most gullible dunderheads on the planet to have put up with this jerk as long as they have and then to even bother to listen to him when he asks for their continued patience.  If people do not wake up in sufficient numbers then we deserve everything that this little pretend-to-be cowboy does to us and to the rest of the world.

Paramasvaran, I sorta wonder if the USA has gotten so big and arrogant that we’re a danger to the world.  I see that especially in the form of our possession of thousands of nuclear weapons, which directly threatens world civilization.  IOW, it used to be that the USA was a net benefit to the world, now I wonder if—between our wars, arrogant and stupid environmental policies, and imperialistic oil grabs and other acts—the US has become like Britain in the 1800’s, a moron and an arrogant colonizer rather than a contributor to civilization, best served by its fall as a world power (the way that e.g. the Afghan Wars, World Wars, Irish Wars and other anti-colonial conflicts destroyed the British Empire).

I still think that the United States can be a valuable member of the community of world nations.  But we shouldn’t be “top dog” anymore—we shouldn’t be #1, shouldn’t be looked on as the world leader.  At one point, when we basically held true to the best of the Founding Fathers’ legacy, the United States stood for magnanimity, moderation, innovation, generosity and caring for the downtrodden, however flawed our implementation may have been.  We represented something inspiring, from the Enlightenment. 

Today, the USA has lost what made us so inspiring.  We’re just a big, lumbering, arrogant neo-imperialistic power whose primary aims aren’t world betterment, but our own selfish aims.  Even as e.g. the EU, Japan and even erstwhile authoritarian nations like China are enacting tough environmental laws and at least making earnest attempts to be good global citizens, the US motto has become “our way or the highway—what’s good for us is good for you, don’t ask questions.” 

The EU would probably be a better global leader, with maybe French and German as big international languages.  Or perhaps some confederation of Japan/Korea/Taiwan/China, especially as China gradually democratizes and opens up.  These places have all shown themselves to be much more sensible about environmental concerns than the United States, and much more prone to basic empathy toward the people in other lands, rather than “it’s only the US that matters” attitude that has arisen in the United States these days.

lies belong to the loser. bush is the world greatest lier. he will lose everything he dream of. the mujahideens will be winners. they fight for the truth.they are fighting and will be fighting against the greatest lier.

You Know I hate it when people solely blame President Bush and his comrades for the war. I blame the congress and the coalition of the willing and all the people they represent. The congress and the coalition of the willing and the people they represent are responsible for all the deads in Irak & Afghanistan.

People are assuming that what is happening in Iraq is b/c Bush is an idiot.  He is.  But those behind the policy are not.  Everything is going to plan.  We wanted things to be a mess so that we’d be “forced” to stay there to stabilize the situation.  That buys enough time until the PERMANENT US bases can be built and we’ve gone through enough puppets to find the right one we can control.  Oil was a big factor (as well as revenge for Saddam surviving the last war), but it wasn’t the main factor.  The main factor is Israel.

Israel wants the US to destroy its enemies.  Iraq was first on the list.  Next is supposed to be Iran and what a surprise, we are gearing up for a war on Iran.  After that Syria is on the hit list and then Lebanon (b/c they want the Litani River, a much coveted water source).  This will give them a buffer zone (which the US will have to patrol for them) and will also make any future threats against them unlikely.  Once we do the dirty work for them and make them “secure”, they will be free to implement their “Final Solution” of the “Palestinan problem”.  It will be a holocaust—only this time, the Jews will be the master race who must purify the homeland by removing inferior peoples.

I know the war profiteering is a huge incentive for the Bush mafia, but that can’t explain it all.  AIPAC must have some serious s*** on Bush and/or Cheney to be able to call the shots like they do.  Of course, since Cheney is Satan and Bush is one of his minions—I believe there is plenty of evil deeds to choose from.

Once our economy tanks and our military is too overstretched to be able to adequately defend the US, it is only a matter of time before someone swoops in for the kill.  Will it be Russia, China, India—or maybe Israel?  At least I’ll be able to tell my grandchildren that I wasn’t the “good German” and that I tried to stop the dismantling of our democracy.

Iraq has no WMD, it didn’t deserve to be bombed to stone age and killed hundreds of thousands including some of the not so informed servicemen.

Iraq didn’t invite US to their homeland to provide “freedom, democracy…” thru invasion and occupation.

Iraqis want to expel invaders and occupiers thru their support of attacking coalition forces. This happened all the time throughout the history including Vietnam War.

This war is a losing venture from the start. Cut your losses George, and I don’t believe a word of your talking to god and god said to you “george, go to iraq”. It’s time to learn this lesson among right wing religious crackheads- god didn’t help george, never did.

It seems that the majority of Iraqi’s have the same outlook on life as most of America. Things are getting worse every year for both countries and we have Bu$h Inc. in common as the reason. Welcome Iraq, your recent poll has made you our 51st state.
That means all the contractors can now leave since there won’t be anymore free money available. Congress can only pass so many pork laden bills in one session.

The record of Saddam’s deeds (WMD development and use, as well as his successful attempts to obstruct inspection)had Clinton under the assumption that he had WMD’s in 1998.

    Some argue that our intelligence was faulty, but what intelligence evidence could have then convinced any responsible president otherwise?

And GENOCIDAL war criminal: http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0311-21.htm
2200 tons “depleted” uranium (DU) = 25 million dead Iraqis; present population, 26 million. Do the monstrous math.

“Americans are worse than the dictatorship. Every day is worse than the previous day.”

After four years of American occupation, the Iraqis learned, “better the devil you know than the one you don’t.”  The Lancet paper by Burnham et al. estimates 655,000 deaths in Iraq for the period of March 2003 to July of 2006.  Human body parts, lying in the road are picked upon and consumed by roaming dogs.

Gangsters control the streets, bloodshed, torture and death is a way of life—-purple fingers and election ballots, mean NOTHING if you living in constant chaos surrounded by a maelstrom of fear. 

All hope has been shattered; Iraqis who supported Americans, feel exploited and used—yes Saddam was a tyrant, but his regime was replaced with a puppet government; only capable of watching its country fall into chaos, corruption, and endless violence.

Hindsight is always 20 X 20. Now there are not many in this country who still believe that invading Iraq was a good idea.  This is not only because the war was mismanaged, but also because the truth of why we went to war is now fairly well exposed to the public.  However, assuming that all those lies (told to us about WMD, al Qaeda and 9/11)were true, it was still a very obviously bad decision (for many reasons if not just the one I am going to discuss here.  And Bush isn’t the only one to blame.  The generals and others who implemented that decision did so in violation of their oath and moral responsibility. Gen Eric Shinseki and Gen Greg Newbold - pentagon top operatin officer - did voice their opposition, the former was dismissed and the later resigned in protest.  The large majority of the Generals - most retired now - have finally voiced their opposition to the war.) The military leadership (who have all attended war college)know very well that you never, never commit combat troops when the enemy has a weapon that can cause mass casualties without first neutralizing that weapon. It would be insane and inhumane to do otherwise.  It was therefore imperative for the United States to support the weapons inspection team until those weapons were found before even thinking of war. When Bush committed troops to battle, he did so either knowing that mass casualities would result or that he knew that there were no WMD.  If he really believed there were WMD, then he could be accused of not caring a hoot about the foot soldier and therefore insane and inhumane.  To make things worse, our “brilliant” Tommy Franks and his massing forces in his “March to Baghdad” would make the WMD even more effective, perhaps as many as 30,000 troops left dead in those possible attacks.  Therefore, committing combat troops to war facing WMD, without body armor, and without armor on vehicles all point to serious systemic problems in the administration, which along with the prisoner abuse or torture, the medical care Veterans are receiving, and the desperate conditions the military families face prove the lack of concern or compassion that W has for our military personnel. As a retired Army colonel, that is the most despicable thing I find about W, along with his hypocrisy. 

JP

The reason Bush continues to enjoy the support of so many evangelical so-called christians is that they firmly believe this mess will bring on Armageddon and initiate that Rapture they all have been expecting. For them, this is a religious crusade, not a political/economic endeavor.

TomChicago said:

On the other hand, perhaps Bush and company did not care to examine/communicate the historical ferocity the Sunnis, led by Osama, feel about the occupation of their lands by foreigners.

Whats needed to be known is that Bin Laden leads a subset of Sunnis known as Wahabis, which are not highly represented by the Sunni’s in Iraq.  Actually they are more prolific in Saudi Arabia.  See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahabis

It needs to be known that our little adventure in Iraq has nothing to do with Bin Laden, 911, or even terrorism in general.  The most likely reason is the oil, coupled with a revenge stroke for Saddam attempting to assassinate the elder Bush.

The problem is not the politicians, we already know that they are in it for the theft of our labor earnings, it is the people themselves; the allegedly true government. 
The Founding Fathers thought that the Constitution would be the ‘chain that binds them’ but they never anticipated just how evil men(women) can be. 
The Federalist Papers warned the progeny of ‘the mischievous and perhaps evil’ persons and also about the ‘stealthy encroachments’ by government, but apparently the dumbing-down by the government schools and the maintenance of that dumbing-down by the totally controlled media is just too much for the people to comprehend; or is it?

I consider myself to be Mrs. Average Older American.  However, I opposed the war from the start; I anticipated much (but certainly not all) of the disaster that we now find ourselves mired in now: I knew Bushler and his cronies were lying to the American people, I knew that the numbers of dead, wounded, and bereaved Americans and Iraqis was going to be horrendous;  I knew that the war would last far longer than anyone seemed to be anticipating (I think it will be for generations!); I knew that by thumbimg our nose at world opinion that we would lose our role as the world’s leader.  It therefore befuddles me why the best and the brightest in our country could not have figured this out as well.  I also am befuddled by the fact that IMPEACHMENT is not on everyone’s lips.

I was born in 1939.  I often wondered then and now, had I been a German citizen, if I would have been able to stand up to the Nazis and protect my Jewish neighbors, or would I have stood by and watched as they were taken away.  Maybe yes, maybe no.  But now we are faced with a tyrant who has abused the Constitution, who has lied to the American people, who has squandered our citizenry and our wealth on an ego trip, who has feathered the nests of his cronies, who condones torture, who is guilty of war crimes, and who should be impeached.  It is time we stood up and were counted.  This is a madman who is running our country.  We need leadership that is going to take us out of this tyranny. Nixon was impeached because his henchmen broke into the Democratic headquarters; Clinton was charged but not impeached for lying about having sex with a consenting adult.  These are such petty crimes compared to what Bushler is guilty of doing.  I, for one, do not want to have to answer why we stood by year after year and let this madman run our country.  IMPEACH BUSH/CHENEY NOW!!!!!

Ralph Eaton—check out http://www.realchange.org/#bushjr

Although the Congress has a lot on its plate now, investigations into the invasion and occupation of Iraq must move steadily forward.

Other congressional inquiries on topics related to the Iraq War, corruption in high places and additional issues must also be investigated.

It is difficult to know where to begin, but Congress needs to move forward strongly. For more on this:

“A serious Congressional inquiry on Iraq is necessary”

By Steve Hammons
Columnist, PopulistAmerica.com
Populist Party of America
December 24, 2006

http://www.populistamerica.com/a_serious_congressional_inquiry_on_iraq_is_necessary

Had the Bush regime let the populace know—assuming the regime itself knew—the enormous complexity of the ethnic strife that was a given in Iraq, this war would never have taken place.  I can remember my own efforts to understand the Sunni/Shia/Kurd historical conflicts.  I suppose the Republican administration considered it too complicated for us to grasp.  Otherwise, there would have been more of an attempt to explain the situation.  On the other hand, perhaps Bush and company did not care to examine/communicate the historical ferocity the Sunnis, led by Osama, feel about the occupation of their lands by foreigners.  Elsewhere on Truthdig is an extremely informative interview with Scott Ritter on this very subject.

Ed didn’t get it exactly right….Bush IS a piece of shit !!!

Dont Forget Vietnam. How long till the american people hate our troops aswell.No parade for these boys either. Toss those medals and hide those uniforms boys your headed home.

How can anyone, at this point in history, doubt that bush/cheney, etc were involved with 9/11??

9/11 is the foundation of their house of cards.

They’ve proven that they will do *anything* to accomplish their evil, fascist goals for world domination. So what is a few thousand dead on 9/11??  Just collateral damage to these barbarians.

Demand a new, true investigation into 9/11. The “official” story is a fairy tale.

Plz watch the Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth,
9-11 Justice, 9/11 Mysteries, Freedom to Fascism

Wake up, America!

Why aren’t the more progressive plans to get out—like Barbara Lee’s—getting into the MSP?

I bet the Iraqis will celebrate when US troops leave!

It is amazing to see the change in public opinion the last few years regarding w’s war in Iraq. At the onset of the invasion of Iraq, Americans behaved as if they were at a rock concert and that God was once again guiding us to promise land.

Four years later, one has to ask, “What the hell happened”? Those of us, like Robert Scheer, who were highly skeptical of the corrupt administration’s motives, now seem to be held in high esteem.

“w’s” phony war has caught up with him. Shame on the American people who dared to follow his shameful rhetoric. “w” I think God has forsaken you!

Bush is the anti-Midas. Everything he touches turns to shit.

Bob, you keep citing the Bushitter lies as if they deserve our attention while you sneakily mention oil ONLY as one of their lies about NOT invading Iraq because of it.

The lies are not important because after all they are just lies, and the Bushitter gang of thugs has yet to tell the truth about anything of any real importance. Anything.

It doesn’t matter what story the husband who stayed out all night tells his worried wife; the fact that he lied, and she caught him in it makes no difference. What makes the difference is WHERE he really was, and WHAT he really was doing there.

In short, you need to stop concentrating on the lies and start talking about the TRUTH, which is the name of this site, but isn’t appropriate unless and until this site starts analyzing the oil situation in the mideast. The new “oil agreement” put out by the Iraqis under US guidance is nothing more than a license to steal, and I have seen no mention of it hereabouts.

Charlie Rangel might be a good place to start; he is the only truth teller in the whole US Congress.

Mr. Kadhim al-Jubouri is much better than Bush because he know his stupidity after 4 years of liberated Iraq while Bush is still proud of with his dream. Kadhim can be chose to replace President Hussein immediately.

What was George’s history before getting in government? The same kind of wise decisions?

What was George’s history before getting in government? The same?

What Bush or those ‘behind the push on Bush’ have done in Iraq is nothing new. The occupants of the Americas from the time of the Pilgrim Fathers have been playing the same game in one form or other with the wiping out of the Native Indians to “bully like’ occupation of defenceless States under some cooked up and messed up reason or other.

Arrogance, pride, ego and all the traits that DO NOT go along with ‘Ahimsa’ are packed into the overall State called USA. All these are vessels of destruction.

What is happening now clearly is the foretelling of the impending demise of the USA and possibly the whole Universe. It is better that a civilization like this which we have today is fully anihilated than be let to grow on its own fodder.

People today dread going to the USA on tours as in the past. They dread the thought of stepping into a country steeped in lies, falsity and evil.  They fear the ‘negative’ vibration that pervades the Nation as a whole. They dread the insincereity of the people whom they may meet. They dread being made sadistic victims at a later stage. The overseas arrivals genuine tourist figures should back up this dread.

Bush and his cohort ( the front men) in this episode have brought the USA to the depths of depravity. Honour - has just lost its meaning. It will never ever find itself back in position again because the DNA of the present population will be passed on in their DNAs to the future generation - like it or not.

In 1935, a remarkable former Marine General named Smedley Butler, wrote a book entitled WAR IS A RACKET.  In 1973 a book was written about Butler, THE PLOT TO SEIZE THE WHITE HOUSE, during FDR’s early presidency, a plot by wealthy U.S. men to have a putsch of our government to establish an American fascist dictatorship.  If it weren’t for Butler, they might have succeeded.  It appears George W. Bush was well on his way, with massive and deceptive help from the entire Republican party.  Bush’s grandfather, Prescott was a major funder of Hitler.  W’s kidding on the square ‘he’d rather be a dictator, providing he was the dictator.’

Bush is almost there.