Rosie O’Donnell asks 30 million ABC viewers: “What do you have to do to get impeached in this country?”
Filed under: Impeachment News — Mikael @ 1:47 pm “Nearly everyone in this administration is under indictment or suspicion, nearly every person, from Karl Rove, to Rumsfeld, to Gonzales. What do you have to do to get impeached in this country? What do you have to do?” – Rosie O’Donnell on “The View” March 29th, 2007
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The oldest democracy is Greece, and Jet fule is able to burn hot enough to have it lose 70% of it’s strength and then it will buckle under the load of the floors above it. Do a bit more fact finding before trying to influence people. And you are right i don’t trust US media anymore. They are being used to spin the whole war.
Comment by robert — March 31, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
Dear Rosie, I think you want more than impeachment. If you aren’t aware, Clinton was IMPEACHED, but he wasn’t kicked out of office, not even for blatant, obvious perjury, which he even admitted to later. But I’m sure you’re not talking about lieing…
Comment by Will Johnson — March 31, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
I guess you have to lie to a grand jury about getting blown at your office.
Comment by Luis — March 31, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
HAHA fucktards
Comment by Misterwowzager — March 31, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
elizabeth is just no match. too bad rosie said peace out at the end, she was on a roll
Comment by JO — March 31, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
What you have to do is get a blow job from your intern. If you get thousands of Americans killed, break the law, violate the Constitution on numerous occasions, and foster an entire culture of corruption … you get bubkiss.
Comment by Bob — March 31, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
Rosie needs to crawl back into the hole she came out of because im tired of having to look at her ugly fat ass on the news every night. And i am also very very tired of her stupid attention ploys.
Comment by myth — March 31, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
‘Course Rosie was on a roll, there’s enough of them in her fat mis-informed ass! Stupid a**tard.
Comment by Joey — March 31, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
Rosie’s an idiot. She obiviously rode the short bus to school!!
Edge
http://edgemedia.info/2007/03/31/politics-of-climate-change/
Comment by Edge — March 31, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
Hahaha, Rosie O’Donnell is insane.
“Yes says the crowd!” – Sure yeah, follow the masses.
Apparently Rosie O’Donnell needs to get look into chemical changes that occur at various temperatures and other chemicals and materials in WTC 7.
Comment by Joey — March 31, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
Hopefully, I am not the only one astounded by the ignorance of the woman on the far right (of the table;). What is preventing the other 70% of us from experiencing her bubbly bliss?
Comment by macewan — March 31, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
I’m an Australian – and I don’t think the US is aware of how much it is hated by every other country in the world right now. Your ‘allies’ hate you, neutrals like Germany hate you too. You are smug, stupid, and close minded.
While you are chasing your own tail, and masturbating over the entire world, you are missing those who have it in for you, and you are going to fall hard. You say you didn’t vote for Bush, and you don’t approve, but what are you doing to stop him? He kills women and children, he kills your own young women and men. Anyone who supports his butchery should be considered a murderer too.
“I support the ‘war of terror’” – You don’t know what you are supporting. Idiots.
Comment by T — March 31, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
Ten comments so far and other than a couple of legitimate questions and comments about the melting point of steel and what it takes to justify impeachment the rest of you can only call her “fat”, “insane”, “an idiot”, etc.
Do any of you care to make an intelligent comment instead?
Are you capable?
Comment by Mikael — March 31, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
Oh yeah – watch 911 Loose change – If you idiots think steel can melt within 15 minutes with no lasting accelerate (Jet fuel combusted on explosion), then you probably believe anything. Oh. You do.
Comment by T — March 31, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
Rosie is smoking meth….I would love to see Rosie on the otherside trying to voice her beliefs with a Burka on. Wait a minute that isn’t a bad vision.
Comment by S.Sutcliffe — March 31, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
Apparently perjury is enough, although for some reason lying under oath wasn’t enough for the powers that be to kick him out of office.
Comment by Rosie — March 31, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
steel doesn’t need to be melted for the buildings to collapse.. only weakened.. steel loses 50% of it’s strength at 1100 degrees F at jet fuel burns at 800-1500. Also, there were other catalysts in the building (papers, sofas, rugs…) that attributes to an increased temperature.
Source:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=4
Comment by jp — March 31, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
America, land of the free, home of the slaves
Comment by Spyder — March 31, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
Are they just saying lines… is this supposed to be real? I don’t get it, they are talking with other peoples words.
Comment by Blake — March 31, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
Rosie is pig, literally and as figure of speech! But she got a point, this admin is so screwed right now… It deserve some official condemnation from congress… having said that, since when any american admin has no corruption? From Truman to Clinton, all had dirts under their shirts..To his credit, Bush is quite clean personally, although ppl under him are running wild…
Comment by Louis — March 31, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
JP,
Steel losing 50% of its strength in no way accounts for the ‘pancaking’ of the twin towers occuring at free fall speed. Weakened steel in the core columns would bend or fall over to one side, it would never sever, compress or snap. At the very least tall remnants of the core columns would have remained.
There are dozens of reports out from engineers disputing the Popular Mechanics article.
WTC 7, which Rosie was commenting on, was not struck by an airplane and was too far away for the fire inside it to be from jet fuel. It did, however, house all the paper trail evidence for the World Com fraud investigations and many others – now lost forever. It also housed Rudy Giuliani’s emergency bunker, which he chose not to go to in this emergency. The owner, Larry Silverstein, added insurance coverage to include “acts of terror” six weeks prior to 9/11. Silverstein was quoted as saying that “the decision was made to pull Tower Seven” on television. “Pulling” is a common phrase used in the demolition industry to describe a building being razed by controlled demolition explosives.
Dozens of eyewitnesses described explosions in the basement of each of the three towers prior to falling.
Trace elements of thermite or thermate were discovered in “the ruin” even after most of the steel had been removed. Thermate and thermite are used to weaken steel prior to demolitions.
Here is what I want to know: Why did the Bush Administration sandbag and resist the starting of an investigation for 441 days? Why did Bush & Cheney continue to suppress every effort to investigate thoroughly? Why was the 9/11 Commission a presidential commission rather than an independent one? Why was only about 10% of the amount of money used to attempt to impeach Bill Clinton allocated for the entire 9/11 investigation? With mountains of proof of prior knowledge (investments, intelligence reports from dozens of other countries, now BBC reporting the collapse of WTC 7 26 minutes PRIOR to it falling) why has their been no further investigation? Why did Bush & Cheney only agree to being interviewed together, off the record, in secret, by a hand-picked group from among their original hand-picked commission members? Why was all the evidence from the worst crime ever on American soil scraped up and loaded onto barges and sent to be melted down before being thoroughly investigated?
See: 9/11: Press for Truth or on YouTube, currently here: YouTube 9:11: Press for Truth although it keeps getting removed and moved.
This movie is about widows of some men who died on 9/11 and their frustrating quest for truth from the Bush Administraion.
If the Bush Administration has nothing to hide, why are they hiding everything?
Comment by Mikael — March 31, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
From the way I see things, our way of society along with our country are collapsing. America has doesn’t represent anything anymore other than mildly controlled anarchy. This country obviously has no morals, no common sense, no respect, dwindling intelligence, no tradition to truly call our own as it is all about the immigrants, and most of all………no balls. Have I covered everything? We have been hated by other countries since we declared our independence over 200 years ago. Why should anyone like us? We’re the youngest nation and have stuck our nose into just about every inch of foreign soil that exists. My point is that our country and our leaders are only as good as the homes, families, and the society that breeds them. “Garbage in, garbage out” as George Carlin says. I’m just waiting for us to either be taken over from within our own country, get blown off the map, or just move elsewhere on this planet.
Here is the funny thing………..you drones think that by getting rid of Bush and getting another “President” in office that things will get better. Get a grip and wake the f*ck up! The only way for things to get better is to clean out the entire Senate, Congress, and the President and his cabinet. Think that’s EVER going to happen?
Comment by JJ — March 31, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
JJ, you’re assuming we’d stop at Bush.
Comment by Jodin Morey — March 31, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
In reply to comments1 and 14: Rosie clearly states WTC building 7, not 1 or 2 which were hit by planes but building 7, which collapsed about 20 minutes after BBC television announced it had collapsed. That in itself is a pretty amazing piece of journalism.
Comment by Kenzie Lyall — March 31, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
JJ,
Every member of Congress that voted for the Military Commissions Act violated their oath of office to “uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC”. Once Bush and Cheney are removed, the push to impeach and recall the rest will commence.
If they recant their vote and explain it, I’ll consider easing off. If they stand by it, they stand to be held accountable.
Comment by Mikael — March 31, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
Robert, fyi, with regards to the jet fuel, she was talking about world trade center building 7, not either of the two towers. The official report from FEMA said it collapsed due to structural damage cause by fire. There was no jet fuel in those buildings. Im not a conspiracy theorist, but that the explanation is a little weak….
Comment by mike — March 31, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
The first time in history fire has melted steel!!!!
Magic of course is what we utilized in the past.
I really felt that both sides of this ‘argument’ were garbage. Everytime someone talks about what’s going on over there, nothing gets acomplished. Nothing gets said about what we should/can/will do, but just is a circle of both sides bombarding each other with ethical bull- about stuff that has already happened.
Comment by alex — March 31, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
Usually getting a hummer and lying about it is enough to get them to at least TRY to impeach you. I don’t think The Count has enough fingers for the number of lies Bush has told, but at least he’s loyal to his wife!
Comment by Cinnimod — March 31, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
Great point Alex!
This post is on here because Rosie called for Bush to be impeached. Let’s talk about the reasons why she believes that.
If you wonder about the evidence, check these links:
Bush Impeachable Offenses – Part I
Bush Impeachable Offenses – Part II
Bush Impeachable Offenses – Part III
Bush Impeachable Offenses – Part IV
ImpeachforPeace Evidence Page
Remember that all it takes is for Congress to hold Bush and Cheney accountable for a single impeachable offense.
Comment by Mikael — March 31, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
“at least he’s loyal to his wife!”
Innocent until proven guilty. Only his Secretary of State knows for sure. Or maybe Gannon-Guckert?
Comment by Mikael — March 31, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
Ever think what would really happen if the President were impeached and removed? Let’s think about it for a minute… Do we really prefer that alternative?
Comment by Jewells — March 31, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
Perhaps I wasn’t clear enough remember the one who shot his friend while hunting? Second in command?
Comment by Jewells — March 31, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
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Comment by Mikael — March 31, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
1. The US punative expedition against Iraq was a fraud from the start. The Bush administration explicitly used the 9/11 attacks to justify invading Iraq and now denies any connection.
2. The Bush administration has stolen two election, blatantly lied to the public and committed specific crimes for which no one has attempted to hold them responsible. It is fair to say that they have forfieted the public’s trust.
3. There is no “War on Terror”. It is a misnomer that the US administration used to justify a long list of criminal actions. The 9/11 attacks were not part of an orchestrated campaign against the US, but a single action carried out by a small, isolated splinter group of the Islamic fundamentalist movement. The absurd over-reaction of the US to 9/11 turned bin Laden into a hero to fundamentalists and an act of madness into an inspiration that incited other, unconnected groups to mount similar attacks, like the bombings in London. Good police and intelligence work could have destroyed Osama bin Laden and his very small group of followers at a relatively tiny expense of resources, probably without the sacrifice of any lives.
4. The US media has followed the White House line with an appalling lack of questioning or investigation. As a result, the average US citizen still thinks that their army is in Iraq to avenge 9/11 (see Why We Fight). International media has been much more sceptical and provided a far more objective and informative perspective.
5. The US is actually one of the world’s younger democracies and has operated as an imperial power since the advent of the Monroe Doctrine. In 1953 the CIA overthrew a democtratically elected government in Iran that nationalized an Iranian oil industry that was profiting UK and US oil companies, but not Iranians. The legitimate government was replaced with a US-friendly dictator. The Iranian people have good reason to be angry and view the US as hypocritical.
6. National security advisor to the Carter administration, Zbigniew Brzezinski, has commented that for the 9/11 attacks to take place, a wildly improbable series of failures would have to have occurred simultaneously in various parts of the US security establishment and, therefore, it had to be an inside job at some level. Too much is unexplained, including manufactured obstacles and lack of White House co-operation that hampered the investigation. There is genuine reason to ask whether or not bin Laden and his followers were just impossibly lucky.
The US has a perception of itself as a beacon unto the world of freedom and justice. It is the only country in the world that has that perception.
Comment by jc — March 31, 2007 @ 7:10 pm
This is what happens when you give 4 uneducated morons their own show…the sad thing is that I actually agree with Rosie O’Donnell
Comment by Caden — March 31, 2007 @ 7:13 pm
Jewells,
Your fears are understandable but unfounded. Please read our explanation of why the threat of another President Dick isn’t of concern, read this from our face page as the very first two arguments against impeachment that we answer:
Arguments Against Bush Impeachment…
• If we impeach Bush, we’ll get President Cheney!
The most recent impeachment resolution introduced by McKinney included Bush, Cheney, and Rice. Although, even if we only initially pursue Bush, initiating the impeachment process will lead to an investigation that will implicate lots of people in the Bush administration who are guilty of committing crimes, including Cheney.
As a popular movement, we believe that the strategy of going after both of them right off the bat would bring nay-sayers to the table asking for the evidence against Cheney. Not that there isn’t evidence, but the evidence is less known, and more of it is hidden. This would only make our case less clear, and cause less people to be approving of it. More people agree about the need to impeach Bush, than about the need to impeach both of them. And, since the evidence against Cheney would come out in any trial against Bush, we find it strategically unnecessary to include him initially.
In addition, no matter who we get to replace Bush, we’ll be showing those in power that anyone who breaks the law will be held accountable.
~~~
Of more immediate concern is a scenario in which Cheney resigns, is replaced by a Bush appointee (Brownback? Jeb Bush? Giuliani? Rice?), approved by Congress, then Bush is impeached or steps down and we are stuck with a President and a new Vice President with the same horrible agenda, those greatly expanded Executive authority powers…
…boom…
Another ‘attack of terror’ and the whole country is locked down for good. Kiss your rights goodbye. Hello fascist state, midnight arrests and the rest of the crackdown.
Comment by Mikael — March 31, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
Has it occurred to any of you nutjob liberals that your agenda mirrors al-Queda, pretty much point for point?
Comment by James — March 31, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
This is hilarious.
The 9-11 video that investigates whether the Towers fell due to demolition is here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&q=911&hl=en
They make a pretty good case. Very interesting is the sysad for a major banking center at the WTC who had to completely shutdown all systems in the week before 9-11 when they did a TOTAL powerdown of BOTH buildings, AND completely disabled all the security monitoring such as cameras. He took 9-11 off after working around the clock to restore the systems in the previous three days. He immediately saw the connection between the shutdown and the collapse. People reporting hearing drilling, and seeing men laying cabling throughout the building during the shutdown. The footage clearly shows explosions coming from the basement of the towers before the collapse. The fire from the plane impacts has been analyzed and shown to be only half the temperature needed to melt steel. Support beams were found cut at precisely the angle necessary for a controlled implosion making the buildings fall EXACTLY into their footprints. Images are shown of other skyscrapers gutted by fire, none of which collapsed, but some of which started to fall over sideways (NOT straight in on themselves).
The WTC was designed to withstand MULTIPLE impacts from a Boeing 707 full of fuel. The physics of the lattice work outer steel made a mesh that would contain the impact of a jetliner, just as actually happened.
Mr Silverstein made 7 BILLION DOLLARS off the insurance settlement by claiming TWO acts of terrorism, which coverage he just had added to the policy a few weeks earlier. President Bush’s cousin, by “coincidence” acquired part ownership of the Towers in 1999, so he also made an undisclosed sum of money off the settlement. Shortly after 9-11, he sold his interest in the WTC property.
Then there’s WTC 7, where Guiliani should have been if he had followed established emergency procedures (somehow he knew not to be in there), which collapsed without any outside assistance, and which contained mountains of evidence against World Com, Exxon, and possibly communications recordings about the Towers themselves in the weeks before 9-11. And of course Silverstein himself announcing beforehand that WTC 7 was to be “pulled.”
Now Guiliani wants to run for President on the claim that he’s a hero of 9-11. One moment while grab the air-sickness bag, please.
There’s just too much fishy smelling crap surrounding the whole thing if you ask me.
I feel sorry for the blonde in the video above. It’s tough being a brainwashed “true believer”.
Here, watch some videos of our “enemy”:
http://hometownbaghdad.com/
Comment by yogi-one — March 31, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
James, I would turn that around and say it of the neocons.
Comment by Jodin Morey — March 31, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
James,
You mean al-CIAda? Remember that Osama bin Laden was (is?) a CIA-trained operative. His family and the Bush family are long-time business partners. HW Bush was meeting with members of the bin Laden family on September 11th, 2001. Bin Laden family members were flown out of the country during the time period when our skies were completely shut down to air traffic – this despite huge objections by FBI agents who wanted to question them before they returned to Saudi Arabia.
Comment by Mikael — March 31, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
if a fool like rosie is able to see through bush, there must be something to impeachment arguement.
Comment by Shelly — March 31, 2007 @ 7:33 pm
The President doesn’t come up with these ideas to go to war, it’s the CIA. The CIA creates coups, the CIA creates the fuel to run the war. It’s not so much about Corporate profit, as it is to re-enforce and ensure the authority of America. Resisting war, means that America will slip through the cracks and fall behind leaving another country to take its place. This type of system is one that was used for Imperialism by the British, and the US has adopted it and instead of creating ‘colonies’, they create ‘puppet gov’ts’ which they use to remotely control these countries, along with foreign aid (WHO) and peacekeeping troops (UN).
The Bush Administration has done a lot of bad things, but it’s ignorant for the people to believe that they can impeach the entire administration and gain relatively more peace. The reason for this is that you need to impeach/remove the CIA and the Pentagon, they are the true reasons that America is in the shape that it is today – they intentionally instigate marginalized groups in other countries, and try to incite them to acts of terrorism, war or genocide. You can impeach the president, impeach the vice president, kick out all the republicans and democrats, but if you don’t do something to minimize the power of the CIA and Pentagon – the system will rebuild itself and the American people will once again be duped. A day without a bullet being fired somewhere in the world, is a day where America’s economy and stability disappears, sorry but that’s the way the nation was built.
@Will Johnson
Clinton was not impeached, there was a trial to do so but ultimately they decided not to impeach him because public appeal and opinion wanted him to stay.
Comment by live tv — March 31, 2007 @ 7:35 pm
All four of these influential women are ignorants. Politics aside, is it any wonder that Americans who, in general, get the majority of their information from television, are so egocentric and misinformed? It is as if facts are not interesting enough to get ratings, we must oversimplify and yell misinformation at one and other to get on TV. The oldest democracy, what a joke; a terrible, frightening joke.
Comment by Matt L. — March 31, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
James, care to elaborate? Are you saying that Al-Queda wants us to restore our civil liberties? To return to the rule of law? To have an administration that tells the truth? To have our country respected again by the freedom-loving nations of the world? I haven’t heard Bin Laden bring any of those topics up in his speeches.
The sad part is that Bush has been the one to work in lock-step with Al-Queda’s agenda. Bin Laden hoped we would stop paying attention to Afghanistan, hoped we would invade Iraq, hoped we would stay long enough to wear out our welcome, and hoped that we would so mess things up that we would unite the Muslim world in opposition to us. The president has given him everything he wanted. We had the sympathy and cooperation of almost the entire world on September 12, and managed to throw it all away. What an incredible victory for Al-Queda, and all they had to do was sit back and watch.
Comment by Mac — March 31, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
bin Laden a trained CIA operative? Are you kidding me? Given arms by the CIA is hardly being CIA-trained. And even THAT is questionable.
Comment by ouchevelless — March 31, 2007 @ 7:45 pm
Also, live tv, yes, Clinton was impeached. Impeachment IS the trial.
Comment by ouchevelless — March 31, 2007 @ 7:48 pm
bin Laden:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,,551037,00.html
I guess ‘client’ would be more accurate.
It isn’t really disputable that bin Laden was among many young Saudis recruited and trained by our CIA to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. Is this news to you?
http://www.amazon.com/New-Jackals-Yousef-Future-Terrorism/dp/1555535097
Comment by Mikael — March 31, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
Clinton was impeached in a partisan witchhunt by, among others, Newt Gingrich, who recently confessed to his own extra-marital affair during the same time period.
The impeachment was by a Republican House.
The acquittal was by a Democratic Senate.
Lying under oath should very well have led to removal from office. The initial accusations were ridiculous, however.
Clinton committed impeachable offenses even before that, but sex with an intern wasn’t one of them.
~~~
Enough about Clinton, can we get back to the matter at hand?
Comment by Mikael — March 31, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
I agree with Rosie, the American’s are fed a very different truth of news to what the rest of the world is shown on television or the newspaper daily. I lived in the USA for a while and I read many news websites from Australia to get a correct version of what is happening about the war and world conflicts as the “4″ television stations were portraying a different version to make the American people feel good about the war that is having no effect and losing many American
soldiers for the wrong reasons.
keep the pressure on Rosie about the cover up with WTC7, and “Donald” should say to his hairdresser “your fired”
Comment by Aussie Brad — March 31, 2007 @ 9:00 pm
Yo, Bob. Stop talking about sex. Is that all liberals think about? Clinton was impeached for perjury. Clean up your mind!
Comment by Bob — March 31, 2007 @ 9:08 pm
I’m sick of this woman she just likes to stir people up by following what the minority of out spoken people belive . how do they melt steal down to begin with??? she should be assasinated lol then it would make a bigger inpact then that crap she speaks
Comment by crazyjim — March 31, 2007 @ 9:26 pm
In this shadow of the true America , ya gotta give em some respect.
Comment by The Sleepless Pr0phet — March 31, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
Americans are stupid. Their country has been raped, robbed, and pillaged by the nwo/illuminati, and they still don’t even have a clue. The country is gutted rotten. The dollar is falling, housing bubble is busting, war on all fronts–open borders with Mexico, war with iraq and afghanistan, and imminent war with iran by the agent provocateurs–and all Americans can do is rag on rosie odonnell who speaks the truth. Americans are so stupid they got punched in the face on 911, and they still have no clue as to what to do. they simply lash out in the darkness of their own ignorance, all the while their coffeurs are empty, and guess who will gladly step in and offer assistance–nwo/illuminati. Americans love taking it up the ass.
Comment by americans are dumbfucks — March 31, 2007 @ 9:36 pm
Comment by T — March 31, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
“You are smug, stupid, and close minded.”
So do you have America or Americans(America being an independent organism apparently)?
Comment by Grayson — March 31, 2007 @ 9:47 pm
Aww, how cute – an Australian pretending to be relevant and topical. As an Australian, do you realize that absolutely no one gives a damn about Australia or any of your opinions, you inbred criminal?
Go away and do what you do best – go get drunk and beat up an Aboriginie.
Comment by merkwurdigbliebe — March 31, 2007 @ 9:58 pm
sorry, i’m still on the melting steel thing…
i failed to mention that i am an engineer as well. I only cited the popular mechanics article so nobody would think i’m just talking out of my ass…
but without that.. let’s think of it from a common sense point of view.
while melted steel will, as Mikael said, bend and sag but never snap.. keep in mind that everything in this world can only bend so far. When bent, it’s ability to hold weight diminishes even further (just think about a ruler, trying to hold something up while bent).
now when the first floor collapses, it adds more weight to the steel below it.. which causes the floor to collapse, which adds more weight to the steel below that, and causes the floor below that to collapse.. and so on… this is the so called “pancake effect”
keep in mind that when these top floors collapse, it’s not just adding the weight of the floor to it’s current weight load.. (i.e. it’s not a constant force).. the only way i can explain this is layman’s terms is to imagine yourself jumping flat-footed onto a scale in your bathroom. Obviously the scale would output more than just your weight, at first. Now imagine jumping from the roof of your house. I’m sure the scale would break (as well as your leg), even if you were 90 pounds. Now imagine if you weighed was as much as several floors of a concrete building, with all of it’s contents still inside.
With the added fact that it’s possible the fire burned hotter than 1100 degrees F, we’re looking at maybe 40% strength. While bent, it’s strength diminishes to less than 20%, and dropping (because the steel bends further and further). Suddenly the floor (or the roof) above it smashes down on the steel. The sudden weight (the roof just “jumped” onto the “scale”) would in fact be enough to cause the steel to finally snap (because trust me, the force of one roof dropping down 15-20ft would be huge).
*sigh*.. i hate getting into arguments.. i always end up writing so much
Comment by jp — March 31, 2007 @ 10:13 pm
As much as I disagree with the war in Iraq, and basically ANYTHING the Bush administration has done, I would be a little wary to impeach Bush myself. Not because i think he doesn’t deserve it; quite the contrary, i believe he deserves it more than any of the other presidents, but rather because I am afraid to put Dick Cheney in power.
Comment by Adam — March 31, 2007 @ 10:14 pm
This is redundant and laughable. Rosie O’Donnel the queen of fat lesbians everywhere is trying to lecture the conservatives of the United States how horrible we are right now, and how the rest of the world portrays us as big bully. Well, did the rest of the world get attacked in their LARGEST city!? Iraq is indeed a mistake. All of America pretty much knows it, but two wrongs wont turn a right. We have to stay in Iraq or we’ll just screw ourselves down the road. And forget the rest of the world. This is a rough time, and we have to deal with it. You think France is going to do anything if another Hitler comes along? We have an obligation to make sure these dictator countries do not get nuclear weapons–Like it or not.
Comment by Bob — March 31, 2007 @ 10:18 pm
Adam:
The most recent impeachment resolution introduced by McKinney included Bush, Cheney, and Rice. Although, even if we only initially pursue Bush, initiating the impeachment process will lead to an investigation that will implicate lots of people in the Bush administration who are guilty of committing crimes, including Cheney.
As a popular movement, we believe that the strategy of going after both of them right off the bat would bring nay-sayers to the table asking for the evidence against Cheney. Not that there isn’t evidence, but the evidence is less known, and more of it is hidden. This would only make our case less clear, and cause less people to be approving of it. More people agree about the need to impeach Bush, than about the need to impeach both of them. And, since the evidence against Cheney would come out in any trial against Bush, we find it strategically unnecessary to include him initially.
In addition, no matter who we get to replace Bush, we’ll be showing those in power that anyone who breaks the law will be held accountable.
Comment by Jodin Morey — March 31, 2007 @ 10:27 pm
jp,
sorry for all your *sigh*’ing. if you indeed are an engineer you will most likely know that even in the best case scenario, floors dropping down upon floors in the “pancake theory” scenario would never collapse the WTC buildings at freefall speed. look at the videos and note that the twin towers fell at essentially freefall speed. a collapse like the “pancake theory” could never happen like this. floors dropping upon floors in a collapse would add measures of resistence that would make a freefall speed collapse highly improbable.
please note that the pancake theory is only the latest in a string of gov’t approved theories for the collapse of the twin towers. we’ll get a new one this year, i’m sure of it.
any other apologists like jp out there who want to use popular mechanics (owned by hearst corporation, advertisers include boeing, general dynamics, lockheed, etc.) as the keeper of the truth?
Comment by louie louie — March 31, 2007 @ 10:51 pm
An excellent video, for once someone that agrees with everything that I believe is true! Nicely done and the opinions fairly irrefutable if you did your research. ++
Comment by Jevon — March 31, 2007 @ 10:51 pm
@ Bob:
Hundreds of thousands dying for a mere 3,000 in one event (which is a fraction compared to the deaths caused by driving, smoking etc) is hardly fair, is it?
It’s easy to say “we got rid of Saddam because he’s an evil dictator” but there are far worse dictators in the world that the US completely ignores (e.g. most of Africa). The only difference are the resources that Iraq sits on, admit it!
Comment by Jevon — March 31, 2007 @ 10:53 pm
Funny you can tell the Conservatives on this board..
Comment by nope — March 31, 2007 @ 10:54 pm
All of these women are fucking idiots. Its sad to think that housewives around the country take these fucktards seriously. They need to be put out of their misery…
Comment by Quinn — March 31, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
Quinn: Was that supposed to be a substantive counterargument?
Comment by Jodin Morey — April 1, 2007 @ 12:07 am
Rosie ROCKS!
Stand up for our country, don’t let idiots being fooled by stooges take our country away from us. There are many idiotic comments in this thread and these are the people that are bringing our country down by beleiving the garbage being put out by the official government stooges.
Keep it up, don’t back down — IMPEACH NOW! Impeach them all.
Comment by Tivana — April 1, 2007 @ 12:24 am
They are both idiotic. Blonde bitch needs to shut up because she is naive and Rosie is just ignorant about many of the “points” she made.
Comment by BobGob — April 1, 2007 @ 12:30 am
I just read through the entire exchange on Digg. I am almost ashamed that something I posted got that much clamor there. What inane and mindless blather!
Please people.. can we stick to the facts here at least?
I am happy to read any opinions from anyone… just don’t belch out some moronic name-calling and partisan crap.
I need a shower. Maybe two showers to recover from reading that drivel.
Comment by Mikael — April 1, 2007 @ 3:37 am
I think this describes Rosie well enough:
http://backingup.ytmnd.com/
Comment by Etih — April 1, 2007 @ 7:50 am
It’s true she probably wants more than impeachment, but you have to start w/ that before you can do anything.
Comment by T-Bone — April 1, 2007 @ 8:29 am
You guys are all nuts. Use a little logical and critical thinking, possibly read a book and you will see that there are multiple reasons Bush should be impeached. Most importantly, he knowingly lied to congress (claim that Niger provided enriched uranium to Iraq) to help his case on the war. He also said it in his State of the Union. Lying to congress is a major felony. While it is easy for people who disagree with Rosie to simply call her childish names like fat ass, it does not take away from the fact that she is most likely right, and Bush/Cheney should both be impeached. Luckily for them as we are seeing now they have many fall guys. The GOP heads will continue to roll, but it will not be that of Bush or Cheney.
Comment by Tim — April 1, 2007 @ 9:37 am
9/11 = Inside Job
Comment by zach — April 1, 2007 @ 9:38 am
That annoying little blonde girl said: “What is oil? Oil is power. Do you really want to hand that over to Iran?!”
Are they invading America to gain control of American oil sourced from the American land then? Wake up, it’s the other way around. From an unbiased objective point of viewpoint untainted by propaganda, that would make America the bad guys.
Comment by nottheannoyingblonde — April 1, 2007 @ 9:40 am
good luck gettin him impeached…all americans are dumb..votin for him the 2nd time…dat was hilarious…
Comment by ibz — April 1, 2007 @ 12:56 pm
Elizabeth is *hot*.
Rosie is not.
Comment by Danny — April 1, 2007 @ 9:16 pm
I think we know how to impeach a president, and I will gladly volunteer if that’s what it takes! Not my life’s ambition to be in that position, but I’ll do it if it’s my patriotic duty.
~Holly
Comment by holly — April 1, 2007 @ 10:15 pm
Impeach Churchill
Comment by rossc007 — April 2, 2007 @ 2:36 am
In response to Rosie’s question of what do you have to do to get impeached? Violating the oath of office (to defend the constitution) PA and MCA both clearly signed violations, Treason (signing SPP document without the authority of congress or the people), Lying to Congress with respect to WMD’s, New Orleans disaster ignored (dereliction of duty), complicity in 911 with other rogue elements, the MIC, and criminals in the government (high crimes and misdemeanors). Invading and aggressions on a foreign country (Iran) without a declaration of war from Congress. Genocide (Iraq). That’s just for starters with more to come I’m sure. After all that they will probably still name a library after him with third grade books so he doesn’t get left behind.
Comment by globastomp — April 2, 2007 @ 2:36 am
Adam you have to impeach Cheney first or the whole lot together or we would be in trouble that means the house speaker (Pelosi) is next in line.
Comment by globastomp — April 2, 2007 @ 2:45 am
Whine about that idiot in the white house more please.
You voted for him…
Learn to take responsibility for your piss poor government.
Comment by Del — April 2, 2007 @ 3:26 am
If you impeach Bush, Cheney will take over…
Comment by Sam — April 2, 2007 @ 9:36 am
Join the NATIONWIDE PROTESTS FOR IMPEACHMENT on April 28!
http://www.a28.org
Comment by Jacob — April 2, 2007 @ 10:04 am
It kills me to hear people go on and on about how Clinton lied under oath; and wasn’t faithful to his wife. Granted, on this point his actions were wrong. But I argue he was still an effective leader. Kennedy, FDR, and countless other leaders all over the world have done far worse. Hell, FDR had a flat out mistress for many years. The only difference is the media didn’t focus or print about this type of thing. In affect, it was almost accepted at the time. I don’t hear anyone going on about how Kennedy and FDR were horrible leaders that should have been impeached. Most people would have a hard time admitting infidelity to their friends and neighbors. I wonder how many of you hypocrites would admit admitting infidelity to the entire planet. Clinton is human; just like everybody else.
I wonder if some of the people on the comment thread really believe Bush never lied under oath. Do you really think he didn’t realize the Iraq didn’t have weapons of mass destruction? If so, you’re kidding yourself. Call me dense, but I’d rather have a wise, effective leader who cheated; than an unwise, stubborn, faithful leader whose driving this country into the ground. Let’s not even start talking about how the U.S is currently viewed across the planet. Compassionate conservatism Bush says; yeah, right.
Comment by Brian — April 2, 2007 @ 10:36 am
Bush took an oath upon being sworn into office to defend the Constitution of the U.S. against all enemies foreign AND domestic. What has happened to the Constitution since Bush took office?
Desecrated, shit on, spat on, torn to shreds via Patriot Acts I & II and the Military Commissions Act.
To say Bush never lied under oath is nonsense
How can you tell Bush is lying under oath?
Cheney or Rove’s lips are moving.
Comment by Mikael — April 2, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
Oh, and…
Join the NATIONWIDE PROTESTS FOR IMPEACHMENT on April 28!
http://www.a28.org
Thanks Jacob!!!
Comment by Mikael — April 2, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
Here’s today’s alert level … http://www.RosieOsama.com
Comment by Bruno Mitchell — April 3, 2007 @ 11:14 am
Bruno,
At least your post – while I disagree with it – reveals a moderate degree of artfulness, humor and creativity.
I recognize signs in you of recovering from your FAUXNews-induced haze at some point possibly.
MR
Comment by Mikael — April 3, 2007 @ 11:39 am
RE: “They need to be put out of their misery…”
So Quinn, when does the “ultimate solution” begin? Typical rightwing response…rather than debate the issue, let’s just kill people. I don’t agree with you Quinn, so then you’d be ok with someone putting YOU out of your misery?
Quinn, you would make a perfect little Browshirt.
Comment by joe blow — April 8, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
Rosie is true , im from australia and no amercian has the balls to stand up and tell it like it is. You people are becoming stupid and the laughing stock of the world. Go rosie
Comment by Leigh Kent — April 10, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
Well Leigh, I’m not sure it really matters because we have the bombs.
Comment by Motorcycle Guy — April 22, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
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