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December 20, 2007

Rep. Gwen Moore (D-WI) 24th Impeachment co-signer

Filed under: Impeachment Progress News,Wisconsin — Mikael @ 11:46 am

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Just yesterday Wisconsin Representative Gwen Moore (D-WI) added her name to the steadily growing list of supporters of H. Res. 333 (now H. Res. 799 in the current Congressional session) which calls for impeachment hearings against Vice President Richard B. Cheney.

Rep. Moore has been lobbied in favor of impeachment steadily by The Milwaukee Impeachment Committee members but fellow Wisconsin Representative and House Judiciary Committee member Tammy Baldwin recently joining in with Rep. Robert Wexler (D-FL) in publicly calling for impeachment may have also factored in her decision.

(List of H. Res. Co-signers)


8 Comments

  1. GET THE F over it and support our country and our President….

    Comment by John — December 20, 2007 @ 11:53 am

  2. John: Removing from power those who have corrupted our country is by far the best way to support it.

    Comment by Chris — December 20, 2007 @ 7:43 pm

  3. Impeaching the VP has nothing to do with the President, unless you think the VP is controlling the president…

    Comment by paul — December 20, 2007 @ 8:14 pm

  4. THANK YOU!!!! I can’t thank you enough. I notice that you are already being attacked the very first minute this is made public. What a surprise!

    Please know that those of us who truly love Democracy, and so much more about this country (as it was before!) appreciate your courage. Millions of us out here have courage, too!! It would really help to have leaders who can organize the angst that’s so overwhelming in this country, as we watch America slip away into something just awful.

    Thank you, again,
    Jan

    Comment by JAN — December 21, 2007 @ 12:16 am

  5. John,
    The (P)resident stole both elections and you trust him with the world. Some of us would like a country where we don’t get screwed out of our wages every day just to pick a fight with a country so we can steal their oil. The US has done this to 50 countries in the last 100 yrs, stealing their work force or their resources. Yea, were really a great country with high morals and ethics. We take what we want a screw the rest of the folks. The kind of folks this administration represents are mean spirited, arrogant, murderous bully bastards. That’s the best words that I can use to describe these ner-do-wells. Some real sick puppies are running the kennel. Send them all tho the Hague.

    Comment by Larry Kellogg — December 21, 2007 @ 12:49 am

  6. Good, it’s about damn time. Every single one of them should have signed on by now, as long as this is taking.

    Comment by Scott — December 21, 2007 @ 4:41 am

  7. This bill will die in committee. The 110 th session is over. A new bill must be filed in 2008

    Comment by MARK — December 21, 2007 @ 2:41 pm

  8. Mark,

    When Kucinich brought his identical impeachment resolution by “Privileged Motion” to the floor of the house on November 6th it received a new number: H. Res. 799. Kucinich will bring this up again – or Wexler will. This is continuing.

    Comment by Mikael — December 21, 2007 @ 4:42 pm

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The first impeachment resolution introduced by McKinney included Bush, Cheney, and Rice. Although, even if we only initially pursue Bush, initiating the impeachment process will lead to an investigation that will implicate lots of people in the Bush administration who are guilty of committing crimes, including Cheney.

No matter who we get to replace Bush, we’ll be showing those in power that anyone who breaks the law will be held accountable.

• Promoting impeachment will seem too “extreme.”
Demanding that crimes be investigated is NOT extreme. Some previous impeachment attempts were considered extreme because they were pursued for actions that didn't rise to the level of a Constitutional crisis, which is what the impeachment tool is meant to be used for. Nixon's impeachment, however, was bipartisan.

  • We should wait to impeach...
Wait to impeach? We've waited 3 or more years too long already. We had enough evidence to impeach years ago. Remember, an impeachment only means you have enough evidence to warrant a trial, just like an indictment. Our congress people didn't take an oath to bipartisanship. They took an oath to the Constitution. Besides which, our troops, Iraqi civilians, and our own civil liberties are all waiting for this.
 
• Before we impeach, we should get some legislation passed...
And with unconstitutional Presidential Signing Statements, veto power, and the power of "Commander in Chief" at his disposal, how do you think Congress is going to get anything accomplished without first impeaching Bush?

If your tire blows while you're driving, do you stop to fix it? Or do you continue driving on your rim because to stop would take too much time?

• It hurts the democracy to go through a presidential impeachment. And Bush is a lame duck anyway.
Holding government officials accountable for their actions strengthens our democracy. Letting lawlessness stand weakens it.

Sometimes reprimanding a child (president) doesn't make the family (Washington) a happy place. But you still have to do it so the child and his siblings (future presidents) learn about accountability. Impeachment is horribly UNDERUSED, which is part of why there's so much corruption at the top. Politicians must learn to fear it. People think things are better because we improved the make-up of our law-making body, Congress. But Bush is BREAKING LAWS. So, it doesn't matter how many laws Congress passes if they don't serve their OVERSIGHT duties as well by impeaching. They swore to defend the Constitution. What are laws without enforcement?

Besides, considering Bush's track-record of breaking laws, he can still do a lot of damage. Our troops, Iran, and our Supreme Court are all endangered so long as he remains in office. Waiting until Bush is out of office will leave us complicit in any further crimes he commits. The Union of Concerned Scientists has estimated that the death toll from a "tactical" nuclear weapon of the kind Bush is contemplating using in Iran would be at minimum 3 million men, women, and children. The path of death would stretch across country boundaries into India.

Perhaps worst of all, we set a terrible precedent by allowing Bush to stay in office after he's broken so many laws. Impeachment will stop future presidents from using Bush's actions as justification for even more lawbreaking and erosion of civil liberties.

• I'm a Democrat/
Republican. If we support impeachment it will lower the chances of my party winning in 2008.

So, your party would rather win elections than do what's right for the country? I hope you're wrong. I also hope the public is willing to throw additional support to any party that holds our elected officials accountable for their actions. This has been historically true with every single impeachment effort launched. And this impeachment effort would begin with majority support (unlike most past impeachments including Nixon).

• Impeachment will never happen. Congress members will block it.
Well, all we need is a majority of support in the House. And 2/3rds vote in the Senate to remove Bush from office will happen once the evidence gets aired on the floor of the House, and subsequently the national media outlets. The political pressure will become too great.

Today's impossibility is tomorrow's reality. Congress members will realize that tying their political future to Bush reduces their chances of getting elected. Remember, one way or another, Bush is gone by 2009— but members of Congress may retain their offices beyond that date. Bush's poll numbers are extremely low, and most Americans support impeachment. This is a bipartisan movement. This means that if we make the pressure unbearable for Members of Congress, they'll turn on him to keep their own seats (like they did with Nixon). It's already starting to happen. While many Members of Congress have behaved unethically in the last few years, it's important to understand that this is related to their warped view of what's in their self-interest. Let's wake them up to their true self-interest (impeaching the president), by showing them our support for impeachment.

And even if we only impeach, and the Senate fails to do their duty and remove him from office, it will only implicate the Senators who fail to do their sworn Constitutional duty.

• But Speaker of the House Pelosi said that Impeachment was "off the table."

Pelosi most likely said this to remove any appearance of conflict-of-interest that would arise if she were thrust into the presidency as a result of the coming impeachment. What we need to do is to pressure Pelosi not to interfere with impeachment maneuverings within her party. Sending her Do-It-Yourself impeachments legitimizes her when she joins the impeachment movement in the future.

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